Skip to main content

JAW in talks with US publishers over Stranger's Wrath HD on Xbox 360

Accuses Microsoft of deliberately blocking the game.

Just Add Water has accused Microsoft of deliberately blocking the release of Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath HD on Xbox 360.

Yesterday Eurogamer reported that Stranger's Wrath HD was not coming to Xbox 360 after a JAW staff member posted on the official site that "the boat has really passed on that one".

Eurogamer followed up with JAW boss Stewart Gilray this morning, who told us that this isn't entirely accurate. The Leeds-based developer is in talks with two US publishers about bringing the much-loved first-person shooter to Xbox 360.

Microsoft is particularly strict when it comes to its XBLA and Games on Demand publishing rules. As exposed by Eurogamer in a November 2011 investigation, a number of indie developers have struggled with these regulations, which dictate that Microsoft reserves the right not to publish a game on Xbox 360 - be it a retail disc game or a downloadable game - if it has appeared on rival platforms, such as PlayStation Network, first.

In the case of Stranger's Wrath HD, Microsoft will only consider allowing its release on Xbox 360 if it features additional content, content Gilray told us is already mapped out.

Some have claimed that JAW has only itself to blame because it launched the game on PSN first knowing these rules. But Gilray rejected this outright, insisting JAW is "platform agnostic". He accused Microsoft of dragging its heels over an 18 month period, constantly rejecting the game for reasons he cannot understand.

"One of the big things that really irked me in the comments was someone saying, well if they want it on Xbox they shouldn't have gone for a PS3 release first, should they?" Gilray said.

"The big story on this is we've been talking with Microsoft since August 2010. In fact, they came to us asking if they could publish it on 360 and if we wanted to do it on 360. We said, yeah, we'll do it on 360, but we would have to go through their various submission processes, including concept approval. Every step of the way it's been no, no, no, but for different reasons every time.

"If Microsoft hadn't dragged their heels for a year-and-a-half, it would have been released at the same time on both platforms."

Gilray's timeline of events goes like this:

Late July 2010: JAW gets content approval from Sony.

August 2010: Microsoft contacts JAW asking if it would consider making an Xbox 360 version. JAW accepts. "They said, great, but you have to go through our usual content submission process. We said, fine, not a problem. What do we have to do? You have to fill in this documentation and supply us with some artwork, and have you got any examples of what you're doing to improve it? We did all that. We listed achievements. We showed them some of the comparison shots we put out afterwards."

December 2010: Microsoft tells JAW it is rejecting the game because it had already been on a Microsoft platform (the original Xbox) before. "We were like, what? Okay. Weird."

January 2011: Oddworld creator Lorne Lanning contacts higher ups at Microsoft, who suggest pitching for a Games on Demand release. JAW puts the game forward for Games on Demand.

Microsoft reject a Games on Demand release for three reasons:

  • With Games on Demand, if the title has already been released on another platform, it would have to be an HD remake. "Well we were doing that anyway."
  • Games on Demand games have to have achievements. "Well, we already added Trophies and Steam achievements so that's not a problem."
  • You have to have sold a million units at retail. "Well, we haven't done that."
  • The minimum retail price is the equivalent of $20 in Microsoft Points. "We said, we're releasing it at $15 on PS3. Why would we charge Xbox users more? They said, oh, we can maybe work to that but we'll have to do another submission process."

Gilray continues: "So we waited a month or so. They came to us again and said, do you still want to do it on Games on Demand? I said yes. They said, okay we'll put the paperwork through again."

January 2012: Microsoft rejects Stranger's Wrath as a Games on Demand title because it had already been released on PS3 and it wanted a simultaneous release. "We said, yeah, but we've been talking to you for 15 months at this point."

Microsoft also said games need a Metacritic of at least 80 to get on the service. "I said, yeah but the Xbox version is 88 and the PS3 version is 82. If you look at the Games on Demand list there are lots of games in the 60s in there."

Microsoft again reiterated its requirement for games to have sold one million copies at retail in order to make it on to Games on Demand.

Lorne and I decided they're deliberately blocking us. They didn't want us on their platform, and they strung us along for 15 months as we hoped they would be able to take it for us and release it - Just Add Water boss Stewart Gilray.

The upshot? "Lorne and I decided they're deliberately blocking us," Gilray said. "They didn't want us on their platform, and they strung us along for 15 months as we hoped they would be able to take it for us and release it.

"The crap thing is, unlike on PS3, you can't self-publish on 360 on XBLA. To be able to publish on XBLA you have to have done at least two discs at retail first - self-published at retail. You can't get someone else to publish for you. You have to do it yourself. You think about the costs involved..."

At Gamescom last year Chris Lewis, boss of Xbox in Europe, explained Microsoft's strong position on XBLA.

"We're a little biased, so obviously we're going to look to protect our own space as best we can and get exclusivity," he told Eurogamer.

"Whilst I can't be specific about the terms and conditions, you can be very confident we seek to maximise our own advantage to ensure the playing field is even, and certainly plays to our advantage wherever possible.

"As you can also imagine, our partners have to be mindful of the relationship they have with all platform holders, and they need to be equitable. But there are contractual situations where we get agreement with different people to do different things, and through what we have available on Xbox Live, we are able to offer things other people can't offer, that allows that exclusivity and unique elements to it that might not otherwise be available elsewhere.

"We just want what our consumers want from us. We want to be where they want us to be. We want the quality bar of what they experience from us to continue to go up. I think it has to happen. Everybody's got to do that. If we want to continue to command healthy average selling prices, which we all do, that which we offer our consumers has got to keep getting better.

"Despite the fact it can be irksome to have such strong competition all the time, it actually does keep us on our toes. It's great for everyone, and it makes for a very healthy race to higher and higher levels of quality of game experiences."

While there remains hope that Stranger's Wrath HD will one day launch on Xbox 360, it seems, for now at least, that it has found a welcoming home on PlayStation platforms. Next week PS Move and stereoscopic 3D support will be added to the PSN version by way of a significant update, and a PlayStation Vita version is planned for later this year.

Read this next

seductrice.net
universo-virtual.com
buytrendz.net
thisforall.net
benchpressgains.com
qthzb.com
mindhunter9.com
dwjqp1.com
secure-signup.net
ahaayy.com
tressesindia.com
puresybian.com
krpano-chs.com
cre8workshop.com
hdkino.org
peixun021.com
qz786.com
utahperformingartscenter.org
worldqrmconference.com
shangyuwh.com
eejssdfsdfdfjsd.com
playminecraftfreeonline.com
trekvietnamtour.com
your-business-articles.com
essaywritingservice10.com
hindusamaaj.com
joggingvideo.com
wandercoups.com
wormblaster.net
tongchengchuyange0004.com
internetknowing.com
breachurch.com
peachesnginburlesque.com
dataarchitectoo.com
clientfunnelformula.com
30pps.com
cherylroll.com
ks2252.com
prowp.net
webmanicura.com
sofietsshotel.com
facetorch.com
nylawyerreview.com
apapromotions.com
shareparelli.com
goeaglepointe.com
thegreenmanpubphuket.com
karotorossian.com
publicsensor.com
taiwandefence.com
epcsur.com
southstills.com
tvtv98.com
thewellington-hotel.com
bccaipiao.com
colectoresindustrialesgs.com
shenanddcg.com
capriartfilmfestival.com
replicabreitlingsale.com
thaiamarinnewtoncorner.com
gkmcww.com
mbnkbj.com
andrewbrennandesign.com
cod54.com
luobinzhang.com
faithfirst.net
zjyc28.com
tongchengjinyeyouyue0004.com
nhuan6.com
kftz5k.com
oldgardensflowers.com
lightupthefloor.com
bahamamamas-stjohns.com
ly2818.com
905onthebay.com
fonemenu.com
notanothermovie.com
ukrainehighclassescort.com
meincmagazine.com
av-5858.com
yallerdawg.com
donkeythemovie.com
corporatehospitalitygroup.com
boboyy88.com
miteinander-lernen.com
dannayconsulting.com
officialtomsshoesoutletstore.com
forsale-amoxil-amoxicillin.net
generictadalafil-canada.net
guitarlessonseastlondon.com
lesliesrestaurants.com
mattyno9.com
nri-homeloans.com
rtgvisas-qatar.com
salbutamolventolinonline.net
sportsinjuries.info
wedsna.com
rgkntk.com
bkkmarketplace.com
zxqcwx.com
breakupprogram.com
boxcardc.com
unblockyoutubeindonesia.com
fabulousbookmark.com
beat-the.com
guatemala-sailfishing-vacations-charters.com
magie-marketing.com
kingstonliteracy.com
guitaraffinity.com
eurelookinggoodapparel.com
howtolosecheekfat.net
marioncma.org
oliviadavismusic.com
shantelcampbellrealestate.com
shopleborn13.com
topindiafree.com
v-visitors.net
djjky.com
053hh.com
originbluei.com
baucishotel.com
33kkn.com
intrinsiqresearch.com
mariaescort-kiev.com
mymaguk.com
sponsored4u.com
crimsonclass.com
bataillenavale.com
searchtile.com
ze-stribrnych-struh.com
zenithalhype.com
modalpkv.com
bouisset-lafforgue.com
useupload.com
37r.net
autoankauf-muenster.com
bantinbongda.net
bilgius.com
brabustermagazine.com
indigrow.org
miicrosofts.net
mysmiletravel.com
selinasims.com
spellcubesapp.com
usa-faction.com
hypoallergenicdogsnames.com
dailyupdatez.com
foodphotographyreviews.com
cricutcom-setup.com
chprowebdesign.com
katyrealty-kanepa.com
tasramar.com
bilgipinari.org
four-am.com
indiarepublicday.com
inquick-enbooks.com
iracmpi.com
kakaschoenen.com
lsm99flash.com
nana1255.com
ngen-niagara.com
technwzs.com
virtualonlinecasino1345.com
wallpapertop.net
casino-natali.com
iprofit-internet.com
denochemexicana.com
eventhalfkg.com
medcon-taiwan.com
life-himawari.com
myriamshomes.com
nightmarevue.com
healthandfitnesslives.com
androidnews-jp.com
allstarsru.com
bestofthebuckeyestate.com
bestofthefirststate.com
bestwireless7.com
britsmile.com
declarationintermittent.com
findhereall.com
jingyou888.com
lsm99deal.com
lsm99galaxy.com
moozatech.com
nuagh.com
patliyo.com
philomenamagikz.net
rckouba.net
saturnunipessoallda.com
tallahasseefrolics.com
thematurehardcore.net
totalenvironment-inthatquietearth.com
velislavakaymakanova.com
vermontenergetic.com
kakakpintar.com
begorgeouslady.com
1800birks4u.com
2wheelstogo.com
6strip4you.com
bigdata-world.net
emailandco.net
gacapal.com
jharpost.com
krishnaastro.com
lsm99credit.com
mascalzonicampani.com
sitemapxml.org
thecityslums.net
topagh.com
flairnetwebdesign.com
rajasthancarservices.com
bangkaeair.com
beneventocoupon.com
noternet.org
oqtive.com
smilebrightrx.com
decollage-etiquette.com
1millionbestdownloads.com
7658.info
bidbass.com
devlopworldtech.com
digitalmarketingrajkot.com
fluginfo.net
naqlafshk.com
passion-decouverte.com
playsirius.com
spacceleratorintl.com
stikyballs.com
top10way.com
yokidsyogurt.com
zszyhl.com
16firthcrescent.com
abogadolaboralistamd.com
apk2wap.com
aromacremeria.com
banparacard.com
bosmanraws.com
businessproviderblog.com
caltonosa.com
calvaryrevivalchurch.org
chastenedsoulwithabrokenheart.com
cheminotsgardcevennes.com
cooksspot.com
cqxzpt.com
deesywig.com
deltacartoonmaps.com
despixelsetdeshommes.com
duocoracaobrasileiro.com
fareshopbd.com
goodpainspills.com
hemendekor.com
kobisitecdn.com
makaigoods.com
mgs1454.com
piccadillyresidences.com
radiolaondafresca.com
rubendorf.com
searchengineimprov.com
sellmyhrvahome.com
shugahouseessentials.com
sonihullquad.com
subtractkilos.com
valeriekelmansky.com
vipasdigitalmarketing.com
voolivrerj.com
zeelonggroup.com
1015southrockhill.com
10x10b.com
111-online-casinos.com
191cb.com
3665arpentunitd.com
aitesonics.com
bag-shokunin.com
brightotech.com
communication-digitale-services.com
covoakland.org
dariaprimapack.com
freefortniteaccountss.com
gatebizglobal.com
global1entertainmentnews.com
greatytene.com
hiroshiwakita.com
iktodaypk.com
jahatsakong.com
meadowbrookgolfgroup.com
newsbharati.net
platinumstudiosdesign.com
slotxogamesplay.com
strikestaruk.com
trucosdefortnite.com
ufabetrune.com
weddedtowhitmore.com
12940brycecanyonunitb.com
1311dietrichoaks.com
2monarchtraceunit303.com
601legendhill.com
850elaine.com
adieusolasomade.com
andora-ke.com
bestslotxogames.com
cannagomcallen.com
endlesslyhot.com
iestpjva.com
ouqprint.com
pwmaplefest.com
qtylmr.com
rb88betting.com
buscadogues.com
1007macfm.com
born-wild.com
growthinvests.com
promocode-casino.com
proyectogalgoargentina.com
wbthompson-art.com
whitemountainwheels.com
7thavehvl.com
developmethis.com
funkydogbowties.com
travelodgegrandjunction.com
gao-town.com
globalmarketsuite.com
blogshippo.com
hdbka.com
proboards67.com
outletonline-michaelkors.com
kalkis-research.com
thuthuatit.net
buckcash.com
hollistercanada.com
docterror.com
asadart.com
vmayke.org
erwincomputers.com
dirimart.org
okkii.com
loteriasdecehegin.com
mountanalog.com
healingtaobritain.com
ttxmonitor.com
nwordpress.com
11bolabonanza.com